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Artist: Eden's Curse Date: 24 September 2008 |
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They may look
like baby faced angels to some but to others they seem to be a red rag
to a bull. With the release of their stunning second
album simply entitled 'The Second Coming', we catch up with two guys who
have bigger balls than an AC/DC stage set. Ladies and gentlemen,
strap yourselves in for the ride of your life as we talk to Eden's
Curse. Paul - Doing great in fact, can’t complain.
During the writing sessions there was so many good things going on around the band. I just kept on writing and put stuff away on a folder on my PC. Then my wife became pregnant after our debut album came out, so I knew I was gonna be a busy boy! So I decided to try and write a lot more songs and by the time AFM asked for the album there was maybe forty songs in that folder all ready to start working through. So in terms of pressure, there was none and we were so lucky in a sense that when we started the band, we both decided to try and create music we would like and we're massive supporters of Hard Rock and Melodic Metal, so we just did what came naturally. The second batch of songs was the formula that we continued. MM – Your debut album provoked some quite
awe-inspiring accolades across the rock scene including Best Newcomer of
2007, Best Metal and Prog Album of 2007 and Guitarist of the Year, that
must have really stoked your fire to receive such recognition with a
debut release? When you have people in some of the biggest Hard Rock magazines and the radio stations and websites, big or small people love it, it makes what you do a lot easier, because if everybody hated it, then we’d have probably hung up our guitars and basses a long time ago.
MM - That takes me on to my
next question, What made you release an acoustic album so early in the
bands career? Really it was an idea that came from our great friend Ryan Northrop, Ryan knew we were up to our arses in debt. No sorry, we'd actually given him a few acoustic tracks to use as bonus tracks and he thought they were sensational and for us it was really the first time we had had a chance to hear Thorsten unleashed on an acoustic guitar. They were really, really special versions for us and Ryan just took to them and put it to Mike and asked if he would be interested in doing it. Money was put on the table for us to do it and we covered all the costs and brought in Dennis Ward to do some of the mastering, it kept the quality up to the same standard as the debut. I guess it just threw a different kind of light of things. It’s more of a collector’s item and it might become quite rare when the band become bigger. It was a nice exercise as it wasn’t as easy a thing to do, some of the songs on there are rather brutal in terms of production so we had to calm things down and re-think them. It was quite a piece of work, so definitely a lot of credit goes to Pete and Thorsten who took a lot of time out to do the arrangements. It was an interesting side issue. MM - What was
the general feed-back from the fans you received on that album? Paul - So Tony Marshall says. Michael - Oh him. He's one of my boys. That’s my Firefest boy with the big cowboy hat. The snakeskin fly guy. Regardless, the thing is about Ryan that he’s a huge supporter of Eden’s Curse and he wanted something and we delivered in spades. Hopefully when people hear it they'll realise that it wasn’t something just thrown together. As Paul said, a lot of hard work went into that. And it is now a collectors item, there are only a thousand of those worldwide and I would like to keep it that way for that simple fact. But, if AFM want to release it further down the line, maybe we'll sell it to them. The key word is SELL, nothing in the Eden’s Curse world is given away for free. It's not that we're whores for money but when you spend hundreds of hours honing the craft, plus at this point Ryan and Metal Mayhem has a lot of money and time wrapped up in Eden’s Curse and they give 120% to us. I would demand nothing less, I mean I’ve known the guy for over a decade and I always get what I want! (laughs) I ask for it and I get it! I think it goes without saying his (Ryan's) commitment to the band is huge, I appreciate you asking the question because a lot of people ignore the acoustic record. A lot of people haven’t talked about it or haven’t mentioned it. We didn’t do a lot of press about it so this is like kinda killing two birds with one stone, it's like the Eden’s Curse sale, buy one get one free. (laughs). MM - Yeh. Paul - Have you told her how much she'd have to pay if you want for a one signed by Paul Stanley? Michael - If you want a Kiss album I’ll be happy to get you that and I can sign all those and a drum head, that will be about three hundred and fifty buck, but it's worth like a thousand, I’ll hook you up. If you want autographs I got ‘em! (laughs). We're having way too much fun here!!! (hearty laugh). Paul - You thought this was gonna be a dull night didn’t ya Linda? MM - I knew, I just knew
there would be madness and mayhem when you both introduced yourselves!
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It's not good for a gig like that to be pulled from you, we needed that gig and because of the whorish selfishness of one man, that hack guitar player, because of his ways Eden’s Curse kinda got barred from playing the event.The bottom line is this, short and sweet, we thank the fans that were gonna come there to see us and we thank the fans that support Eden’s Curse. Don’t worry 2009 is the year that we will not disappoint.
MM - Well that's one of the reasons we are boycotting Firefest this
year, we felt it had stopped being
about the music and become too
political this year which was very sad. How's that for being loyal to
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Ryan who's totally behind this band wanted the band to play and wanted the band to film the performance, that was agreed months ago and we were gonna put it out on DVD. He went to them only a week and a half ago and tried to negotiate but it didn’t happen. They don’t want anything to do with Eden’s Curse and that OK cause I don’t want fucking anything to do with them. Usually I don’t say that in interviews and I’m really nice about it, but fuck today the gloves are off! Ask me anything you want, we're ready to go.
Paul - Linda to be honest don’t get us wrong here, we don’t want to paint a picture that we sit around at home and mope over lost gigs, absolutely not. We do concentrate on greater achievements that are gonna come with the band.
Michael - We want to be positive OK. We want things to stay positive and especially around this release it's in peoples mind that OK Eden’s Curse they got kicked off Firefest, well we didn’t get kicked off, we walked off pretty much.
You know it's like when you have a job and you work nine to five and you know your boss is a big jackass it's like ... you're fired ... no, I quit ... no, you're fired .. they said, you said. We wanted to play and they weren’t having it.
I don’t lose any sleep over it at night, our fans are too important to us for us to go ... ... Woe is Eden’s Curse, woe is me, woe is Paul ... we didn’t get to play the gig, there’s a lot more gigs to play, there’s a lot more music to make and we're gonna be making it and we're not going away.
So there’s a message for my buddy Tony Marshall ... I’M NOT GOING AWAY!!! ... and I’ll see you eventually Tony wherever you're hiding ...
And Paul’s not going away either, we’re a team. There’s other things we're involved in, Paul writes for other people, I’ve had offers on the table to sing, but Eden’s Curse is number one to both of us. I want to make that clear, it is not a project band it is a full ballistic force of singer and song-writer joined together to come up with the ultimate shit kickers and that’s exactly what we’ve done, we’ve done everything that we set out to do and when we achieve greater things by you guys talking and all the magazines and radio, the more you talk the more people hate me! (laughs)
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- I was going to say looking at the AFM roster there's quite a
few bands on it that you could do a double header tour with. Paul - Absolutely, I mean that’s what we’re more interested in, one off festivals are OK, we're not saying we're not interested at the end of the day. It's our label, it's our royalties and we don’t want them to pay out thousands of pounds to play a one off gig in front of a few hundred people, it has to be something like Sweden Rock or Wacken, you're talking a totally whole different ball game, you're talking Vauxhall Conference vs. Champions League last sixteen here, there’s no comparison. |
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We're currently in negotiations with a few European promoters about getting tours and getting the band out on the road. It's definitely our priority now Linda and our label is trying to get us some kind of package but it has to be the right band for us.
Michael - 2009 is the second coming. By the time we get out next year Paul will probably be already 60-70% done with writing our next record!
Paul - No pressure then. (laughs)
Michael - You're welcome! It’ll be out next summer or next fall. No, I’m just kidding!. Never say never. (laughs) We're busy people, we try to have lives but as much as we try to have lives, Eden’s Curse does take up a lot of time and my god if the band hit the road it's gonna become even busier. I’m gonna throw down every night on stage so no-ones gonna be safe.
Paul - Nope, there’ll be a few people painting their smiles on that night.
Michael
- There ya go!
MM - The band is a little heavier on this album, what do you
think?
Paul - I think there’s a couple
of slight changes in terms of the production, I don’t think there’s
anything in the writing style. The heaviest thing we did was
probably ‘Games People Play' and 'Masquerade Ball', but I think it
sits nicely with what we did with the first record. Maybe a
slightly heavier drum sound. I’m quite pleased with it. The
first two songs I wrote for the record were 'Sail On' and 'Man Against
The World' and I remember saying to Mike that they were too light for
the band, so initially I ditched them from the list that were gonna make
it. In the end we decided to go for it with them, there are some
lighter songs and also some heavier songs, but all in all it's Eden’s
Curse.
Michael - PAMELA MOORE!!!
Paul - The whole vibe of the song for me had that European Melodic Metal kinda vibe and it was a riff that I'd had for so long and yet took the longest to write. I couldn’t find anything to complement it and remember working on it for four months and I just couldn’t get it to work, then suddenly here we go, I went in a different direction so I put the idea to Pete and Mike, and Carsten Schulz got involved in it. So many different writers produced that and it really makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up sometimes when I think ... Christ did we really do that?
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MM
- How did Pamela get involved with the album? Michael - Paul actually wrote her a letter, it was through MySpace originally that we tracked her down. She actually lives around my area near Chicago and I didn’t know that right away, but then I found out she lives really, really close to my back door and I think at the time she was out in Seattle. But Paul wrote to her and spoke in pretty good length about what Eden’s Curse did and what Eden’s Curse was trying to achieve and we told her, he told and I told her, because I also wrote to her to tell her that we had a track that we thought she’d be perfect for, that was 'Angels and Demons'. Hopefully other people will think that too. It was cool to do something with Sister Mary from Queensryche. That’s a cool thing for us, just one of the many cool things in the world of Eden’s Curse that are coming up. This is just the beginning. |
MM - Going back to the
production you used Dennis Ward again, was he the obvious choice for
you?
Paul - Yes I think so. I think considering how good the first the
record was received, we consciously made the decision that if it
wasn’t broken then why fix it? We tried to get the exact same
team there, the only one person missing was Mr Readman. We approached
Dave, we approached Carsten and you can't get any better than the best.
Michael
- Oh god, Dennis is not only the obvious choice, he was the only choice!
He brought his skills to the table and Paul and I are both huge
supporters of his band and a lot of the productions he does like House
of Lords, Silent Force, all the many things he’s done over the
years. He’s pretty much THE guy we turn to when we need
something done.
And do I argue with him?, of course I do! (laughs) I think he’s
kinda goofy sometimes, but then I’m kinda goofy too. I’m set
in my ways and he’s very set in his ways and sometimes the two heads
bump, but at the end of the day he's done it for a while and he knows
what he wants to hear in being the producer of the band. And
believe me if I didn’t want the guy working with us he wouldn’t be.
Dennis gets paid, obviously we don’t go into what Dennis gets paid,
because Dennis simply gets paid. I don’t, Paul doesn’t, we do
things because obviously we get our expenses paid by the record label.
We could choose other people to work with but we choose Dennis Ward
because he is the best and I honestly believe that.
There are people who will say ... “he’s just saying that, he’s a
kiss ass” ... I'm not a kiss ass. I love the music that we have
created and the production is every bit as good. The Bob Rocks and
the Michael Wagner’s and those guys that did in the 80’s did it for
millions of dollars. If this was 1990 our new record would have
cost half a million dollars or more. To work with Dennis Ward on
what he has done and his track record is a great thing for us and
he’ll be back on the next one.
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MM - As well
as Pamela Moore and the Eden’s Curse choir Tony Harnell does
the backing vocals for the entire album, how did he come about
working on the album? Paul - Again it’s the same kind of thing. When we found out David was unable to do the record we started thinking about possibilities to explore and a couple of names I could throw at you would be DC Cooper, he was one of the names we talked to. We also talked to Rob Rock as well and at the same time we approached Tony Harnell. I remember suggesting him to Mike and he said we had no chance in hell, but when Mike says that they usually end up singing on the album, so I knew it was a good sign. It was just a case of who approached Tony. |
As you know we are quite approachable people, you’ve talked to both of us, I would like to consider the fact that we are very professional at what we do and we are very organised and we know exactly what we're looking for. We don’t leave any grey areas for people we work with and they've always been paid. If anyone asks around the people we've worked with, they would get references and they would find that they're always great references. They will always say there hasn’t been any issues like that. We take that kind of stuff extremely seriously because it's our reputation that’s at stake.
It took a little bit of convincing for Tony, it certainly wasn’t something that happened over night. He instantly liked the music and that was really important for him as well as us and he quickly accepted. It took a couple of weeks. We sent him the album and he did comment on that the main reason for doing this was the way we went about things and we were extremely professional. When you’ve got those sort of things in your locker and you’ve got a decent reputation, when you sell a few records and you have someone like Tony or somebody of his calibre involved, it's not gonna to his career any damage what-so-ever.
MM - I noticed that on the
Japanese version of the album there’s a Karaoke version of 'What Are
Waiting For'. How about if when the band went on tour a screen
came down as part of the encore and the crowd could sing along.
Paul - That might be an
idea! (laughs)
Michael - Hey that would be cute!
Paul - Why don’t we just do that with all the songs and Mike
can stay at home?
Michael - I would prefer to stay in the United States and still
get the paycheck.
Paul - We could just put up your face.
Michael - I’d sing from my living room and I guarantee it would
still be cool.
MM - What is
the bands main focus point at the moment is it promoting 'The Second
Coming' or looking for touring opportunities?
Michael - I would say the focus now is that we're doing this
press thing and the promotion of the new album. Then the next main
priority is to get this band on the road and getting some shows.
One show, two shows, ten shows, whatever. That is the priority and
while all that is going on Paul is working on brand new music and who
knows what’s going to happen with that, but there will be more
Eden’s Curse stuff going on in the future, although the priority right
now without a doubt is going out and playing live and bring it to the
people.
I mean iPod is great technology, but also scary technology. Torrents are great technology, but again they're scary technology. If an album leaks out of a record label or manufacturing plant it's pretty much over. It's done with and for a band like us it could literally be over and done with over night. Our first album was uploaded and then downloaded I don’t know how many times. I lost count, it was over 20,000 times it was downloaded! That's a great deal of money lost out of someone’s pocket. I mean the band lost a lot of money, the label lost a lot of money and when you give that amount of time and effort into something that great, that you can do, it's very, very, very bad.
The song on the new record 'Raven's Revenge' is about the people that ripped our music off and put it on the Torrent sites. My message to them is pretty simple, you ripped off Eden’s Curse, you uploaded our music and the bottom line is you don’t want me to find them, because if I find them it's not gonna be a good day for them. 'Raven's Revenge' is all about that, bottom line this downloading can't be stopped.
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- Finally is there anything you’d like to add and words for
the fans? Paul - Final words? Thank you to everybody out there who enjoys what we do. And thank you to you Linda, your support's excellent and we really appreciate everybody that take time out from their own personal life to write about our music and to check our stuff out and post a comment on the sites. These type of things really keep us going. There is a lot of negativity that’s involving any band, not just Eden’s Curse, I don’t sit at home going through message boards, I just don’t have the time. I just concentrate on things happening to the band. There’s a lot of positivity. Going back to our old friend Ted Nugent, he used to say ... “if you're successful you’ll always make false friends and many enemies” ... not a truer word will ever be said. There will always be the wack jobs that will always come out of the woodwork whenever we do anything, you’ve just got to deal with that. |
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You don’t pay to much attention to the good interviews because you’re paying too much attention to the bad ones and just let it all go in one ear and out the other, and luckily we are people that take things naturally without forcing any part of it, accepting us for what we are. We write for ourselves first and foremost and you can guarantee it to the fans. I think we proved that with the new record. There might be a few changes in terms of production here and there, but that comes with each album. Eden’s Curse are not gonna suddenly turn into Wig Wam or Diecide!
And the worst thing for me as a guy in the United States sitting here at my house and seeing all these letters coming in from all over the world, I didn’t think the band had that much interest here in the United States, but then I get letters all the time from people that live here wanting us to play here. I got a letter from a guy just the other day asking about it.
I think more than anything else it’s about the support that people have given and at the end of the day people don’t have to buy new material, they don’t have to buy new music, but people saw the press the band were getting the first time around a couple of years ago and took and chance and spent their fifteen, twenty or fifty bucks in some cases on the CD. The Japanese release is very, very expensive and compared to the American it's night and day. You can buy three American copies of it compared to just one Japanese, sometimes maybe more. I’ve seen it as high as fifty bucks on the internet you know. In fact the new 'Second Coming' record is available for pre-order on one Japanese website for forty five dollars ninety eight cents American price. I mean that’s crazy, crazy. That’s a lot of money. I don’t think I’m worth it, but the bands worth it.
Here
in the US I have a little say so with what goes on with the band and our
label here in the USA. I definitely try to get involved with the
price points. I don’t want it to be too cheap but I don’t want
it to be to much either. There’s a lot of cool stuff happening
with the American version, a lot of cool giveaways. When somebody
buys the American version they're gonna get a lot of cool stuff for
free.
We appreciate the fact that you guys are still with us. We're
really appreciative of all the fans, it makes it easier when you guys
like us.
Michael - We appreciate your time we really do. We guarantee in 2009 we are gonna play even if I have to fund it myself. It's gonna happen come hell or high water.
Paul - There’s always a few interviews that appear on our list and one's that we look forward to and the Mayfair Mall one was the highlights of last year, so it's always a pleasure and anytime you need a chat just drop us a line ... if you have a spare couple of hours. (laughs)
MM
- Well I promise you this, if the band do tour next year I’ll be up
front screaming my little lungs out.
Michael
- We will be out somewhere next year but I don’t know where, whether
it's going to be in Germany or England or the US, but it is gonna
happen.
POSITIVE THINKING THAT’S WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT!
MM
– Well I can honestly say that as far as interviews go they don't get
any crazier than the ones we do with these guys. The new album is
out now in the shop and is damn good so be sure to check it and and BUY
it, don't download it from the Torrent sites.
You can check out samples of the songs off the album and keep up to date
with those forthcoming tour plans by visiting the bands website www.edenscurse.com
and their MySpace website www.myspace.com/edenscurse
. Be sure to stop by and say hello while you're visiting.
P.S. Didn't I tell ya these guys had nadgers the size of King Kong's
and made of steel to the core?
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